‘Contrary to what some say, woke decadent Europe is not facing civilisational erasure,’ EU’s Kallas says
EU’s Kallas is speaking on the main stage now.
In her first response to Rubio’s speech yesterday, he somewhat snarkily says that “contrary to what some may say woke decadent Europe is not facing civilizational erasure,” and says that many countries still “want to join our club – and not just fellow Europeans,” pointing to Canada.
She says that Russia continues to pose a significant challenge.
“This starts in Ukraine, but we know that Russia’s endgame is not Donbas,” she says, pointing to continuing attempts to sabotage or undermine EU countries.
She continues:
“But let’s be clear-eyed about Russia: Russia is no superpower. After more than a decade of a conflict, including 4 years of full-scale war in Ukraine. Russia has barely advanced beyond the 2014 lines, and the cost? 1.2 million casualties.
Today, Russia is broken, its economy is in shreds. It is disconnected from the European energy markets and its own citizens are fleeing.
In fact, the greatest threat Russia presents right now is that it gains more at the negotiation table, then it has achieved on the battlefield.”
Key events
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EU should define its key asks from Russia before peace talks, Kallas says
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EU ‘not ready’ to offer Ukraine date for accession to bloc at this stage, Latvia’s president and EU top diplomat say
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‘We need to produce more, everywhere,’ Nato deputy secretary general says
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Increasing defence spending to buy overseas ‘makes no sense,’ French minister says
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Don’t cling to some love words from US, but focus on ourselves, France’s Haddad says
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We don’t see eye to eye on all issues, but we can work from here, EU’s Kallas says after Rubio’s speech
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Morning opening: What do we make of all of this?
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‘Contrary to what some say, woke decadent Europe is not facing civilisational erasure,’ EU’s Kallas says
EU should define its key asks from Russia before peace talks, Kallas says
EU’s Kallas appears to be slightly sceptical about the idea of appointing an EU envoy for talks on ending the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
She earlier said that “what matters more than having a seat at the table is knowing what to ask [for] when you are sitting there.”
She now returns to this issue and says the focus should be on defining the key European asks.
“That’s why I proposed to the member states [a] concrete mandate [of] the asks that we would have to Russia. So whoever goes to that table, whether it’s individually or bilaterally, they should ask [for] these things from the Russians.
We have a saying in Estonian that if you demand a lot, you get little; if you demand little, you get nothing, and if you demand nothing, you pay on top.”
And that ends this panel.
Jakub Krupa
in Munich
You can tell that we are quickly approaching the end of the conference as we just lost two of the four panellists as they had to run to catch their planes back home.
But don’t worry: your blogger’s plane is not until late evening, so I will bring you all the key lines here.
Latvia’s Rinkēvičs also gets asked about whether the upcoming election in Hungary could unblock the path for Ukraine, as Viktor Orbán – who continues to fiercely oppose Kyiv’s membership in the EU – could be ousted from power after 16 years.
He says:
“I would caution that both Olympic Games … and elections sometimes produce very unexpected results. Let’s not jump ahead of the curve. Let’s not assume something that only voters in each of our countries can decide. …
So let’s wait till things happen and let’s see how that happen.”
He says equally there will be elections in France and Poland next year that could change the dynamics in the other direction.
EU ‘not ready’ to offer Ukraine date for accession to bloc at this stage, Latvia’s president and EU top diplomat say
Latvian president Edgars Rinkēvičs offers his take on Ukraine and Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s push to be give a specific date for his country’s accession to the European Union as part of any future peace deal.
He says “we understand that we need Ukraine in the European Union,” but talking to other EU leaders he has “kind of feeling that at this point, as we speak today here in Munich in February, there is no readiness to [agree on] a date.”
He says the bloc “wants to see Ukraine [join] as soon as possible,” but it needs to address two other issues as part of that process.
Rinkēvičs has the EU “needs to look at western Balkans,” as the EU “has lots all the credibility in the region” by not progressing its accession prospects.
“We have been promising so many things in return for reforms, for name change of North Macedonia, for instance. We have been promising [them the] membership for so long.”
And he adds the EU cannot forget about Moldova.
“Yes, that’s a small country, but if Ukraine comes in, we can’t leave out Moldova out of this, so it’s not only about Ukraine any more,” he says, adding that would require “a very serious discussion” on how to manage the process.
He says “like it or not,” Ukraine’s EU membership is “very much tied to the peace deal,” but he says he is not optimistic about Russia genuinely engaging with the process, so it can be agreed.
“If Russia is not moving, then we are not going to have a deal,” he says.
The EU’s top diplomat, Kaja Kallas, agrees:
“My feeling is that the member states are not ready to give a concrete date. There’s a lot of work to be done, but I think the [sense of] priority … to move and to show that Ukraine is part of Europe is there,” says.
‘We need to produce more, everywhere,’ Nato deputy secretary general says
Nato’s deputy secretary general Radmila Šekerinska picks up Haddad’s point.
She says that the last Nato summit in The Hague agreed not just on increased defence spending, but also on ramping up own production.
She says:
“This will be repeated in Ankara now: we need to produce more, and we need to produce more everywhere.
We need more European production, we also need more production on the US side.
If you look at the numbers, and especially if you look at the numbers on key capabilities, which are urgent in Ukraine, like air defence, we don’t have enough, period.”
She adds:
“Unfortunately, most of our stockpiles are not up to the task. We went to industry, … and the only place where these capabilities were available was in the US stockpiles.
I was in Norway recently, I visited a company that does all of its exports to the US, and then the US has additional production and many of European countries buy it.
These are the links that defence companies have developed.If we try to dismantle them, we end up weaker and not stronger, so the call in the Ankara summit will be very much we need to produce more and for this, we need better regulation, we need speedier processes, and this is very much where Nato focuses on how do we make interoperability standards.”
Increasing defence spending to buy overseas ‘makes no sense,’ French minister says
France’s Haddad also pushes for “European preference” on defence purchases, arguing it’s just “common sense.”
He says when you’re increasing defence budgets – often by cutting other spejnding – you cannot then spend it abroad to “subsidise a factory in Kentucky” in the US.
“This makes no sense,” he says.
He says it’s also about the control of use, export, and technological knowhow that comes with it.
“We know that when you buy a weapon from another area, it comes with strings attached. It comes with [some] fine print on how and when you can use it. So all of this is absolutely critical.”
Don’t cling to some love words from US, but focus on ourselves, France’s Haddad says
France’s Europe minister Benjamin Haddad has a slightly different take on the speech though, lamenting that four Europeans on a panel are expected to respond to Rubio’s speech a day later.
“We should not either be relieved or shocked by this or that speech. I think the worst lesson we could draw from this weekend is to say, well, I can cling to some love words that I heard in part of his speech and push the snooze button,” he says.
He says the EU should instead “focus on ourselves,” including on rearmament and improving its competitiveness.
“This is also the best way in the long run to reshape and maybe salvage the transatlantic relationship: to make it more balanced, more mature, with two pillars that are equal rather than looking for love or thinking about how the Americans are going to talk about us.”
We don’t see eye to eye on all issues, but we can work from here, EU’s Kallas says after Rubio’s speech
Kallas, a former Estonian prime minister, also offers a bit more on Rubio’s speech, as she says “there were messages for us, and they were messages for the public in America.”
“For me, every time I hear this European bashing – it’s very in fashion right now – I’m thinking of what is the alternative and, and really, I mean, all the best or good things that we got from Europe, and all the good things that Europe actually represents.”
But she says she gets some reassurance from Rubio’s comments:
“The message that we heard from there is that America and Europe are intertwined; have been in the past and will be in the future. I think this is important. It is also clear that we don’t see eye to eye in all the issues and that this will remain the case as well, but I think we can work from there.”
She also takes a dig at the US, saying:
“Coming from a country that is #2 in the Press Freedom Index hearing criticism regarding press freedom coming from a country that is #58 on this list is interesting.”
Ouch.
‘Contrary to what some say, woke decadent Europe is not facing civilisational erasure,’ EU’s Kallas says
EU’s Kallas is speaking on the main stage now.
In her first response to Rubio’s speech yesterday, he somewhat snarkily says that “contrary to what some may say woke decadent Europe is not facing civilizational erasure,” and says that many countries still “want to join our club – and not just fellow Europeans,” pointing to Canada.
She says that Russia continues to pose a significant challenge.
“This starts in Ukraine, but we know that Russia’s endgame is not Donbas,” she says, pointing to continuing attempts to sabotage or undermine EU countries.
She continues:
“But let’s be clear-eyed about Russia: Russia is no superpower. After more than a decade of a conflict, including 4 years of full-scale war in Ukraine. Russia has barely advanced beyond the 2014 lines, and the cost? 1.2 million casualties.
Today, Russia is broken, its economy is in shreds. It is disconnected from the European energy markets and its own citizens are fleeing.
In fact, the greatest threat Russia presents right now is that it gains more at the negotiation table, then it has achieved on the battlefield.”
Morning opening: What do we make of all of this?
Jakub Krupa
in Munich
Guten Tag, as we open the third – and final – day of the Munich Security Conference.
We have a fairly short programme today, with Europeans reacting to US secretary of state Marco Rubio’s speech yesterday, and thinking about further reforms to the EU’s economy and competitiveness.
Can you think of a better Sunday morning?
We will hear from the EU foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, ECB president Christine Lagarde, and former Nato secretary general Jens Stoltenberg, among others.
It’s Sunday, 15 February 2026, it’s Jakub Krupa here, and this is Europe Live.
Good morning.